• Data Meaning and Mining: Knowledge Representation and Discovery

"Can you have 2 tables
- VIEWS
- DOWNLOADS
with identical structure in a good DB schema (item_id, user_id, time). Some of the records will be identical but their meaning will be different depending on which table they are in. The "views" table is updated any time a user views an item for the first time. The "downloads" table is updated any time a user downloads an item for the first time. Both of the tables can exist without the other.

"I don't think that there is a problem, per se from a E/R modelling point of view, as long as they represent two semantically different entities."

"Are you saying that both tables have an 'item_id' Primary Key? In this case, the fields have the same name, but do not have the same meaning. One is a 'view_id', and the other one is a 'download_id'. You should rename your fields consequently to avoid this kind of misunderstanding."

 "Chris Date and Dave McGoveran formalised the Principle of Orthogonal Design. Roughly speaking it means that in database design you should avoid the possibility of allowing the same tuple in two different relvars. The aim being to avoid certain types of redundancy and ambiguity that could result."

"When designing a DB there are lots of different parameters, and some (e.g.: performance) may take precedence. Case in point: even if the structures (and I suppose indexing) are identical, maybe "views" has more records and will be accessed more often. This alone could be a good reason not to burden it with records from the downloads."

--Can you have 2 tables with identical structure in a good DB schema?, StackOverflow.com

Q: "My understanding has always been that a primary key should be immutable, and my searching since reading this answer has only provided answers which reflect the same as a best practice. Under what circumstances would a primary key value need to be altered after the record is created?"

A: "When a primary key is chosen that is not immutable?" --StackExchange.com

"We start with a value. This may be a number, a date, or a chunk of text. Domain refers to the meaning for a value or a set of possible values. When we have a value with a consistently and widely used set of units, value domains, or applications, we call this value a data element. A data element may be a ticket number, a temperature reading, a hair color. (Some modeling approaches omit the notion of data elements or domains.)

In all the techniques and stages of data modeling, the concepts of entity and attribute are universal. An entity is the “thing” that must be manipulated as a data object. Entity represents an indivisible concept that consists of data elements. Each data element in the entity is called an attribute. Conversely, we could say that we build an entity by attributing data elements to it. You create an entity as a whole, and you delete it as a whole." --What a Concept! Is Logical Data Modeling Obsolete? -- LinkedIn.com

RB: "From the tabular point of view, does it make sense why we can't have duplicate rows in a relation?"

John Sullivan: "As with everything else in life, it depends what you are trying to do (and exactly what you mean when you talk about a DBMS table v. a formal relation). From an operational (transactional) database point of view, for obvious reasons, you don't want duplicate rows (enforce a natural key). But if you're analysing data from various legacy sources (e.g. spreadsheets) it might be useful. Then again, you might introduce a surrogate key to give you more control over what's going on - again, depends on what you are trying to do." --LinkedIn.com

RB: "From the tabular point of view, does it make sense why we can't have duplicate rows in a relation?"

John Sullivan: "As with everything else in life, it depends what you are trying to do (and exactly what you mean when you talk about a DBMS table v. a formal relation). From an operational (transactional) database point of view, for obvious reasons, you don't want duplicate rows (enforce a natural key). But if you're analysing data from various legacy sources (e.g. spreadsheets) it might be useful. Then again, you might introduce a surrogate key to give you more control over what's going on - again, depends on what you are trying to do." --Question about the relational model

Relationships, Rules and Relations

AT: "In my personal understanding, a relation is defined as a set of tuples. Then ... "in the relational model every relation represents a relationship". And then a quote from Chen: "each tuple of entities ... is a relationship". If I use the first and the second statements - I can say that a relationship is a set of tuples. The third statement says that a relationship is a tuple. So far, is a relationship a set of an element of a set? (Or may be a set of sets?)".